The Eternal Christ: What Happened Before Creation? (Ep3 – Debrecen Series)

Creation is not in a line—it’s in a circle. Somebody hand me a pen. Would you reach over and hold that right there just for me for a moment? I would like for you to see creation that way, and I’d like for you to see the cross right in the middle. And the past and the present and the future all move around that cross. It’s in the middle of creation.

Now, use your imagination a moment and see a great void—and see all of creation circling around a cross and a tomb. And that which happened before the foundations of the world was allowed to intersect a moment in time, which was so small compared to the all of God. And that moment when there was no time…That moment—which could be here or here or here—we cannot take the cross and put it in a place. We cannot say the cross came before, because God envelops creation. Brothers, there is an eternal cross. There is a cross which is everywhere. The suffering of God, the death, the dying of Christ permeates this. His death is not chained, is not fettered, is not confined, is not held, is not captured by time. As He surrounds time, so His cross surrounds creation.

And He allowed that slaying to intersect time for one brief moment. Now, watch Him die. And He’s dying. And He grabs death: “Come with Me, death.” And He takes sin: “Come with Me, sin.” And then He takes the world system: “Come with Me, government of Romania. Come with Me, communism. Come with Me, democracy. Come with Me, all governments that are not Me.” “Come with Me, old fallen nature of Adam. Come.”

Now come all seasons. “Come Sabbath. Come all rules of conduct. Come all morality. All that is good, come. I will crucify you along with evil, for you have both come from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Come good, come evil, come everything except life. Die in Me.”

And then He calls forth His whole creation that fell from His hand and brings it into the cross. Brothers, I’m not making this up. You will find this in the Word of God. You will find it all over the Word of God. You will especially find it in Colossians, Ephesians, Romans, and, thank God, Galatians. 

He crucified the Jewish religion. He took the Ten Commandments and drew them into Himself. And now, brothers, I’m going to tell you a great mystery: He even allowed divine life to come in, right along with death.

“Well then, Gene, you’re not going to let life die?” Stand by, folks. Give me three days here, will you? And He dies, and they all die with Him.  But none of them come out of the grave. They are annihilated. I’m telling you. Do you see creation here now? It does not exist. You say, “But Gene, it still exists. I’m in it.” Yes, but in God, it’s not there. The creation is going on with you and me. But with God, it’s over with. And that’s why He can look at you, Jonathan, and see you’re so wonderful. There’s no law in you. There’s no sin in you. You say, “What about my body?” He did away with your body on the cross. He did away with the flesh. Do you remember this? He crucified your flesh. You will not keep this body. It is dead and destroyed. He will give you a new body that is spiritual, like unto His body.

Now, Jonathan, He looks at you today in a slain creation that no longer exists. Destroyed. In Him, it’s destroyed. You’re still playing it out here, but in Him, it’s destroyed. And you look beautiful. Jonathan, you’re glorious. You are holy. You’re a holy one. 

You’re a holy one.

Three days later, we’ve got to look at this. Three days later, a tomb opens. Does death come out? Does sin come out? They’re destroyed. They do not exist. Ten Commandments—gone. Paul got in trouble by saying the Ten Commandments were nailed to the cross. Probably cost him his life.

Have you been slain? Absolutely. Everything Adam gave you has been slain. And I’m going to tell you something else that’s really amazing. Even your life in Christ has been taken to the grave. You do not have today…this is too much. But maybe you want to listen to this again and again. Today, you do not have the life of God in you. Brothers, I give you a mystery. You have something more wonderful than the life of God in you. You know what you have in you, Pilu? Give me your hand. Do you know what you have in you? You have God’s life passed through death and raised from the dead. You live by resurrection life. That’s the highest of all lives—a life that has destroyed death by dying. A life that can now be given to others. Don’t just sit there saying amen. You’ve got to praise your Lord here somewhere. You’ve got to open your mouth and say, “Glory to my Lord. This is my Lord. This is what He’s done for me. This is what He has done.”

Now go back to that time before creation. And listen to the Father say, “Son, I want to glorify You.” And the Son says, “Father, I want to glorify You. I want a wife.” “I’ll give You a wife. She’ll be as holy as You are. She’ll be holy. She’ll be holy. Blameless and perfect. But she will not appear until after I destroy—until after I destroy—the old fallen creation.” And so Christ died before creation and destroyed it—before He created it. And when that tomb opens… A resurrected life comes out. A resurrected Christ comes out. He is the firstborn from the dead. He is the first of a new creation. And you are in Him. You’re in Him. You came out of that tomb with Him—in Him. And all of those chosen little parts of Him are in there. Resurrected from the dead. And death cannot touch you. And you will never die.