The Eternal Christ: What Happened Before Creation? (Ep3 – Debrecen Series)

Now I want you to look at Jesus Christ dying on the cross. And He crucifies this creation and does away with it. It is destroyed. That’s what Galatians tells us. It’s destroyed. It’s gone. Now when did that happen? When did that happen? That happened on the cross in Jerusalem, did it not? Did it? No, Jonathan, it did not. 

Jesus Christ is about to say, “Let…” Who is the Creator? According to Colossians, Jesus Christ created creation in Him. But He also was slain before He created. I am telling you this: He was slain before the foundation of the world that He might give you life. He was also slain before the foundation of the world, at which time He destroyed this creation before He created it. This creation was nailed to the cross when the Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world. “I have finished all things before I created all things.”

That creation was slain when the Lamb was slain. Oh, what a Christ have I. Oh, what a Christ have I. Are you going to go read Romans 6 someday and it’s going to be a mystery to you? What do you mean, “reckon myself dead”? Are you going to read Christ talking about “I was there before there was a there”? You’re going to read all sorts of mysterious things. But I am telling you that in the great mystery of the power of God, He slew this creation before He created it. Put it this way: if you could take this creation and look at it, you would find on its neck the foot of Christ. Slain before Created. 

I want you to know something—and I am speaking from the New Testament. This is the New Testament, brothers. This is in the New Testament. I didn’t think this up. Before there was the seventh day of resting, He destroyed the seventh day of resting. Before there were any of the feast days or holy days, He slew the feast days and holy days. Before there was sin, He died for sin. And before you had life, you already had life. Hallelujah. He had done it all. And you’re going to go back and read the New Testament again, and you’re going to say, “Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow.” And you’re going to be able to see things from His viewpoint. And I’m telling you that creation was created in Him, but not before He was slain. And He was slain to give you life. And He was slain to destroy this creation—that you might be the new creation.

Now, if you’re not satisfied with that, let me tell you one other thing He did. He knew you were going to have a rough time in here. He knew you were going to have a hard time. He knew it was going to be difficult for you. So, before He created, He took all these wonderful portions of His being, which He marked off within Himself before the foundation of the world. And He wrote a name beside each one. He wrote your name, before He created, just to make sure He didn’t forget you—just before He created, to make sure that nobody got misplaced—He made this book of all our names. My name was in there. And oh, what love. He made sure my name was there before He created it.

And then He slew this universe. Even before He created this universe, He destroyed it on the cross of Christ. Slain before the foundation of the world—but slain only once. But you are not touched by the destruction of that creation because you belong to the new creation before the old creation existed.

You cannot be taken out of the new creation if you’re in it. And He slew this creation. He destroyed this creation. And even though your body was in it, that body of yours was destroyed. He will never save your body. He’ll give you a new one. He will give you a new body. He will transform your soul. And your spirit cannot be touched by that creation because it does not belong to that creation. Your spirit… and your life, which is Christ—read it in Philippians. Your life, which is Christ—it’s over here. Outside, before and above, and before and after this creation. I’m going to tell you again, brothers: that creation was inside of God, and you’re on both ends of it. Are you in Christ before the foundation of the world? Yes or no? Yes, Are you in Christ after the world is over? Yes. Then you only have to ask yourself one question: Am I there in Christ when all this is going on? And the answer is—you are always in Christ. And yes, you’re in Christ now. And this creation was destroyed.

I want you to go with me to Jerusalem. I wish there was some way I could show you this is creation here again. God in heaven, I can’t explain this, brothers. Please do not ask me for an explanation. And don’t say, “Gene, can you make this clearer?” 

Now this is creation. It hasn’t happened yet. But when it does happen, God will be all around it. He’ll be here and here. Now, if God is here and here, and if this creation is in Him, and if you’re in Christ there, then you’re in Christ here—because He envelops this creation. You’re not in Christ at the beginning but not at the end, because He totally envelops. Maybe we better throw the sheet over this one more time before we come to this great imponderable. 

Before creation, you are in God. After creation, you’re in God at the same time—because God envelops this creation He’s about to create. One more time, just drop it over it. Watch. That’s where God is, and that’s where you are. That’s creation, and you’re over here, and you’re over here. You’re always in Christ because creation is in Him. 

Now, brothers, He slew this creation before He created it. God can do that because He surrounds it. Right. Let me show you how He did it. He’s slain out here where there is no time. He is slain out here before He created. Now, I need Mr. Einstein to tell me. I need Einstein to tell me that creation is made up of mass, physical molecules. And where there is no physical molecule, there is no time. There’s no space. There is no creation. There’s nothing physical. When you take out the physical, time disappears.

Okay. My Lord was crucified out here before time. He was crucified before time. And He slew this. And He slew the fallen angels. He killed the fallen angels. He destroyed death before death existed. He slew before He dared create. But because He was free of time, there came a—for us, not for Him—there came a day. Right here. We’ll call that the mountain of time. Let me move that over here. It kind of sticks up a little bit. That’s Jerusalem. That’s a hill outside Jerusalem.