Debrecen Messages #7 – The New Man: God’s Visible Image and Rule on the Earth

Whoa. When Christ was born. We’re going to come back to that. Yes, brother. When Christ was resurrected before the creation. Before the creation. Whoa. Oh, that’s too much for me. The resurrection that came before creation. Oh, boy. Whoa. I said when he was made visible here on the earth. Okay. Yes, brother. I thought it was the resurrection. The resurrection. The resurrection. The resurrection. Tree of life. Visible on the earth. When did…Oh, oh, oh, oh. You’re saying before the fall. All right. All right. My goodness. These are arresting answers. Yes.

Well. When did the new creation become visible on the earth? And I believe, brother Tim, you have trumped me. For a very short time. Perhaps. In the garden. In the tree of life. Perhaps. Hmm. Well, I’m uncomfortable with that answer, even though it may be correct. I’d like to go a little bit further forward.

At the birth of Jesus Christ, except for one thing, sister. There’s no them. The new man is plural. Now, I can tell you you’re correct. There is the fact that he, he, when you saw him, you saw God. And he exercised dominion and authority. And that is true, but He himself knows that He is not a them. And in that respect, then Tim’s question, answer is also not correct.

I’m saying branches out there in that tree. All right, Tim, defend yourself. Ah, okay. Now then I’m going to answer you by saying, I don’t know when the new man appeared. He, he appeared in one of three places. And in the resurrection. Or perhaps that night in a locked room. Or perhaps at Pentecost. Because I’m looking for a them, not a him. And on the night that those men were in that locked room, and Jesus came, and the scripture says he breathed into them. And he said, receive the Holy Spirit. And that was into, not on. He breathed into them. There came a them. Yes. A new creation. Visible. That creation was always there. And I want you to remember, those 11 men in that room, those 10 men in that room, had been in Christ from the beginning, before the beginning.

And he said that, yes. You who were with me. And whom my Father chose you before creation. Before all things. It may be that it was at Pentecost, when the, and you know the celebration of Pentecost, they take many seed, they pile them up, and they crush them. And pour oil over them, and work water into them, water into them, and pour oil on them, and then make one loaf of bread, which is the seed, all together and for them.

It may be, that the new man made his appearance at Pentecost. Now, I qualify every answer I’ve given, but if I am to get it down to two, I would say at the resurrection, or the day of resurrection, or I would say at Pentecost, and if you forced me to choose between those two, I would reluctantly say Pentecost. I don’t know, but I can tell you this, it’s not after Pentecost. And it’s not before the resurrection. Sometimes, in those days, there became visible on this earth a them, who do not belong to the old creation.

Now then, I’m going to ask you one more question, and that is, when the new creation makes its appearance, where is the old creation? All right. brother. we have a hand. David. where is the old creation? It’s been, it’s dead, it was crucified and done away with it. It has been destroyed. Now, explain that to me. How is it that I can be walking around in an old creation that’s already destroyed? If you walk in the spirit?

If I walk in the spirit, it’s not there. If I walk on this earth, it’s still not there. I have to get the eyes of God and know that this old creation is over with. And if I have the eyes of God and see this creation crucified, that changes my whole life.

I lived in an apartment in a very noisy little town where people stayed up all night. Someone moved in about a block away, and he put a recorder, a stereo on his porch upstairs. Turned that thing on so that you could hear it for maybe two miles. Nobody could sleep, and nobody could sleep, and he would stand out on his second floor and scream the filthiest obscenities that I’ve ever heard in my life.

At about four o’clock in the morning, I stood in my living room with every window shut, and I could not talk to my wife without yelling at her because of the noise. I called the police, and I told them to get out there, and everything ended up in my front yard. The policeman, the fellow who was making all the noise, and me. And this fellow started defending himself and yelling at me. I turned around to walk away, and then I turned around and looked at him, and I said, “You do not exist.” Why did you go to the police? Well, don’t push this story too far. Well, of course, the policeman made him turn off his noise. He was breaking the peace of everybody in that town.

He doesn’t exist. We have to have those eyes. This creation does not exist. And that we have been in a new creation long before we can remember, and that we are presently in a new creation. And that creation has…let me talk about the old creation. First of all, it is physical and visible. And it has mass, and it has atoms and molecules. And therefore, it has…because it has mass, it has space. And because it has mass and space, it has time. I belong to a creation that does not even know the old creation exists.