Debrecen Messages #7 – The New Man: God’s Visible Image and Rule on the Earth

All right, these lights have a purpose. They are presented to us. Greater light is for the day and the lesser light, actually he lists two, the stars and the moon, are to give light, therefore light to the night. Now, I just want to talk about this sun he placed into the sky and this moon that he placed into the sky and see if I have gotten anywhere with any of you at all.

This thing that shines in the night, you look up at it, sometimes it’s completely round and bright. Pilu, what is it? In the night? You didn’t hear the question. That’s all right. Then I will absolve you from that, but we’ll beat you with wet noodles for not listening. I’m going to ask Daniel, what is it, this thing that shines in the sky? The moon and the stars. Well, you see, I’m not getting anywhere, am I? I’m not getting anywhere. Revelation has not come to you. What is it? It’s a reflection from the sun. Brother Jonathan, what is it? The sun? All my dumb, dumb people. All right, Kalia doesn’t know. Jonathan doesn’t know. David got a revelation here. Oh, Pilu doesn’t know, and Daniel does not know. I’m not going to ask Abel because he obviously knows. Tim has already indicated he knows. So I guess I’ll have to ask Flo. I want to just call her Flo. Flo doesn’t know, of course. It’s okay. It is not the moon. And it is not the sun. It is a shadow, a type, a picture of the moon. There was a moon before there was that thing up in the sky. The Son, the eternal Son, reflected and re, not just flected, but reflected. He re-radiated the light of God, his Father. His light, the Father’s light shone upon the sun and the sun reflected that light back to the Father. And the same is true of the Son. The sun is both a picture of the Father and the Son, in that the Son is light, but He is the light of the Father. He is not the light, in that He is the light of the Father, but He is the light, because He’s the light of the Father. You must, brothers, open your hearts to the Spirit of the Lord, that He might show you these things. Someday you’re going to look up in the sky and you’re going to say, you are not the moon. Hallelujah. My Lord reflects his Father.

Now, Jonathan, it is one thing to know this. It is another thing for you to recognize this incredible statement. That what the Father is to the Son, the Son is to a Christian. And you have got to show God’s people how to reflect back the light of the Son when the Son breaks on us. I’m going to tell you. Abel, I’m going to tell you. Pilu, I’m going to tell you. Daniel, I’m going to tell you. Jonathan, I’m going to tell you. Kalia, listen to me. The Lord’s people, when they come together, need to have the right to do some reflecting. Not listening, but reflecting. I have had light. I want to reflect it to my brothers and sisters. The Lord has shown me something. Let me share it with you. The Lord opened my blind eyes. I saw the Lord. Let me tell you about his light. And then that light bounces off of me. And Abel, I say, wow, wow, wow, like the little girl on the tape. Wow. Wow. And you know something? Sometimes this happens. You tell me something God showed you, it reflects on me, and suddenly I know something I never knew before, and I see something of my Lord, and I want to interrupt you. And I want to say, oh, wait a minute, Kalia. Let me tell you what that means to me. And I tell you, and then Kalia goes in and finishes with hers. And then over here on the other side of the room, somebody says, wow. And they begin to tell us something that neither Kalia has seen or I have seen, but that they have seen of their Lord.

Now, I ask you, am I making this up? Do I have the Word of God to back me? Do I have the Scripture to back me? Somebody tell me something in Scripture that will… I don’t want your hands to raise because I want to pick who does it. Do you know a Scripture that will verify what I am saying? It is about meetings of the people of God. David. When you come together that each one… Oh, man, no. No, you don’t have it. You’re about two verses off. Okay, I’m going to try Tim. Tim, have you got it? It said that every member of the body has life, and let every member of the body therefore give its life. Oh, no, no. You’re both. Go to the back of the room. The dunce cap is no longer yours, Timothy. It now belongs to these two brothers. And if one is speaking, and another has a revelation of the Lord, let the first be quiet, and let the second speak. And when the second one is spoken, let the first continue. That happens in a meeting! And until you have meetings like that, Jonathan, and Daniel, and Abel, and Pilu, you don’t have a meeting. Revelation, light, the real sun and the real moon breaking off of one another. And when other people begin to share, praise the Lord, you have the stars also. Don’t just sit there and say praise the Lord. Yes, Lord.

The re-revelating of his spirit. The re-revelating of his spirit. Now just say one more thing. Yes brother. One more thing. In this passage. Which is the fourth day. More light is brought in. Before it was the Big Bang light. Now we have specific light. Not general light, but very specific light. Light of the night. Light of the day.  And when you get more light, there’s more life. A more complex life. A higher life. A higher life. And so, what do we get on the fourth day? Let’s find out.

We have all sorts of seasons and light and life. And, that was the end of the fourth day. And now we come to the fifth day, and life comes. More life comes. Excuse me. The light comes on the fourth. Whoa, Gene Edwards. More light comes on the fourth day. More life comes on the fifth day. I stand corrected. What do we have? Well, we have fish in the water. We have birds in the air. And I believe on this very same day, do we? I don’t think so. No, we just get birds and fish. Let’s talk about them. Actually, we also get more multiplication. That’s what we’re looking for here. We get more multiplication, and we get after its kind. I’m going to jump ahead and tell you that the Lord never said to Adam after your kind. Read it and see. There was no after your kind for man because that was not God’s purpose for man. Man was supposed to multiply after God’s kind but didn’t make it.

Okay, on the fifth day, we are introduced to fish and to birds. Now then, brothers and sisters, we’ve got fish swarming in the waters. They can move. Up until now, we have had grass and trees. So let me see if I can do this any better. The herbs and the grass are things like grass and wheat and barley. And the trees, of course, are the same thing, only more complex. They are larger. They’re more complex. They give off more fruit. Now, tell me, David, we have here herbs, grass, trees, fish, and birds. What have we got here? What is the Lord showing us? Do you have any idea? Okay, I’ll rephrase my question. What is a bird? It’s air life. Who has the dunce cap? Tim, give him your dunce cap. All right. And now he has two dunce caps. The Lord Jesus broke bread and took two loaves of fish and he fed a multitude. Five loaves of bread, two fish, and he fed a multitude, and he said, eat me.

Now tell me again, David, what’s a fish? It’s Christ. Amen. Our Lord is a fish. That thing in the water is his fingerprint, a symbol, food. What’s the tree? It’s a symbol of Jesus Christ. Oh, Gene, I don’t believe that. Where are you getting this in the Bible? That Jesus Christ is a tree, and the tree is not a tree. No, a tree is not a tree. There was a tree before creation. Amen. The real one. Praise the Lord. Can anybody quote a tree to me in Ephesians chapter 1? You cannot do it. Then I will give you this. For you were marked off in Christ before the foundation of the world, and Jesus cried, I am the vine, you are the branches. The two verses are the same. You were marked off in Christ before the foundation of the world; I am the vine, you are the branches.

He was the tree when he marked you off in him before the foundation of the ages. You abide in Him. Abide in me even as my Father, as I abide in my Father. I am in the Father. You are in me. I am the tree. You are the branch. I am the vine. You are that which grows out of me. I was marked off in Christ. You were marked off in Christ before the foundation of the world. I am the vine. And that thing growing out there in those woods is not a tree. It is a picture. It is an enclosed mystery that reveals a little bit of the glory of our Lord.

I’m going to hammer this away. I’m going to hammer on this and hammer on this until you know and understand that there were things that happened before creation. Christ was water. Christ was light. Christ was life. Christ was fish. Christ was tree. Now I’m going to ask a very simple question. Pilu, what’s a bird? Alright, I figured someday we would get there… In the Old Testament, often the Lord is spoken of as a bird. And as Isaiah describes the Eagle taking the little eaglets out into the sky and dropping them. And then the eagle folds his wings and plunges, while the little eaglets, they slow down a little bit because they’re going, they’re flapping, but boy, they’re going to die for sure. And the eagle comes under them and catches them.

The turtle doves. Those are doves, doves and pigeons. On the day that Jesus Christ was taken to the temple the first time, there’s a pigeon offering. He is the bird that is offered for the poor because they cannot afford an ox or a ram or even a lamb. He is the pigeon for the poor. He is the eagle who catches us when we know we are surely finished. And underneath are the everlasting. We will mount up with wings as eagles. Yes, Daniel. Jesus said about Jerusalem, he many times wanted to like chicken. Yes. Thank you, Daniel. Isn’t that great? Daniel, flesh and blood did not show that to you. That’s right. Jesus presented himself as one who broods over Jerusalem. And go back to Genesis 1, and he said, And the Spirit brooded over the earth. And the Lord brooded over Jerusalem. Out of his love for her, she was a girl. And in his brooding over her, he has brought forth a new –  Jeru. Go back and read The Divine Romance sometimes, and I have a Jeru all the way through the Old Testament. And in the new, there is no Jeru. There is Jerusalem, the new one. Thank you, brother. He broods over us. And he would have brought us into him with his wings. And  covered us. But Jerusalem would not allow that. So, the Lord gave us a new Jeru. This wonderful girl. Bird comes back to the ark. But Noah and them will try out their release. Then he goes, boy, the bird comes back with a branch. That brings them more. All right. Praise the Lord. Now, brother, I have never considered that. That’s marvelous. We have a dove goes forth from Noah’s ark.