Winona Conference Part 5 – Outside of Time and Space Fellowship with Christ

Now here I am, and I come along right about here, and I’m a really good Southern Baptist, and I’m having a hard time. You want to hear me? “Lord, I’ve got all sorts of needs, and I’m restless and I’m thirsty. My soul’s all messed up, and I don’t feel very righteous. I don’t see you do anything for my name’s sake, or yours. I’m in the valley of the shadow of death, surrounded by evil; all of you. I’m feeling comfort? I sure do feel you’re odd. Where’s my table? All I see are enemies. The only thing on my head is what I got out of a Brill-Cream bottle. My cup is dry. I don’t see any love or goodness in my life. I don’t have any fellowship with You at all. That’s a good Baptist talking. An honest Baptist. Oh, no. Wait a minute. Get honest with me. Was that not you at some time in your Christian experience? Yes, it is. Caught here in space, caught here in time, griping and griping and griping about what’s going on around you, crying and feeling sorry for yourself, and going to a God out yonder. So that’s David’s experience, and that’s my experience, but I have a Lord who lives outside of time and space. I would like for you to listen to the original experience. Would you listen to the original experience? It is the experience with which the living God gave David. David was second in line, not first.

We’re right about here, or we could be right there. But wherever we are, we’re outside of this (time-space continuum). We may be here. We could be right there. Would you remember before I read this about the secret to the Christian life and who the first Christian is and what had happened to the Son of the living God long before He became incarnate, and that He’s out there somewhere long after He’s been incarnated and that we’re do talking about and dealing with a God who is outside of space and time.

My Son, I have shepherded you through endless ages. I have been your Life, your All, and you have never wanted. I’ve been your rest, I have been your pasture, I am our water. You are kept by Me. I am your righteousness, and I lead you every instant of eternity in my righteousness to my glory. My Son, you will soon enter the created realm, and by your very entrance there, you will be in the valley of the shadow of death. Death’s shadow will rest upon you for the first time. Don’t be afraid. Have I been with you? Have I ever been with You every instant? Have we not been one? I will be with you in exactly the same way.

I will comfort you with My staff. I will guide you with My rod. I will be your rod; I will be your staff. I am and I will be your comfort. I have been your table from which you have eaten real food. And in that realm, and when You live there, I will be a table that will always be before, and You will partake of Me, and Your enemy will see it and rage. You are the Messiah. I anoint you and will anoint you. You are the anointed One, the only anointed One. And as You have overflowed with Me here, there within that realm, your cup will overflow each day with Me. And goodness and loving kindness will follow you there every day, just as My goodness and loving kindness have been one with you throughout eternity. And you will continue to dwell in Me there as you dwell in Me here, and you will dwell in Me forever and forever. Amen.

Did you follow that? I suppose the best question is, do you believe that, or do you believe that David could have an experience that had never befallen Jesus Christ? Now, where’d that take place? Where’d it take place? In God, in the other realm, in a realm where there was only spirit. But where? Where? Where? It was now, somewhere before creation or somewhere just before the incarnation, right? Maybe. But maybe not. Listen to it again. Would you hear it again? How about right here?

Listen, saints, this passage belongs to my Lord. This is my Lord’s history. This is His own history. This is His history in Spirit. This is His spiritual history. Listen to this. By the way, just now, who spoke? The Father. The Son didn’t speak. The Father spoke. Did you speak? I wasn’t even involved. I wasn’t there yet. You haven’t been there yet. You’re missing it, saints. You were there, and you can be there. And this is the fellowship of the Godhead. Now listen to it again.

Father, before angels and principalities, no, before angels and the principalities have gone away, it’s all over, I wish to declare to the host of the redeemed. Father, I give you one great anthem of praise. You were my Shepherd, and I never wanted, not once. You were my rest; You were my laying down. Father, You were my water to drink that fully restores. You were my righteousness, and You guided me in Your righteousness, and You glorified Your name every step of the way. I walked into the valley where death cast its shadow, and I was not afraid, for You really were there, just as You said. And I was comforted as You said I would be by Your rod and Your staff. And I ate a banquet in the presence of My enemy, and he loathed it. And You exalted Me in the presence of My enemy. And I was made the anointed one and am now the reigning Ruler, Lord, King, and Chief Potentate to Your glory.

My cup runs over, and I have known Your goodness every instant from immortal primeval eternity throughout all time and space and creation to the consummation and beyond it to this moment. I have known Your loving kindness. It has followed Me all the days and eternities of My life. And now, Father. And now, Father, I am coming back to be in You. I am returning from whence I came (and now I’m quoting the New Testament). All things have been subjected unto Me except Him to whom I am subjected. And now I am subjecting Myself to You and returning into You that You might be All in All. Praise the Lord.

Now where’d that happen? Where’d that happen? Well, Gene, it happened right here in a great anthem of the Son glorifying the Father and testifying to His faithfulness. Or did it happen here? Or did it happen here? Or is it possible it happened here first? Right there on earth, the first time it ever took place. Well, Gene, that’s impossible because it took place with David. Well, I’m here to blow your mind and tell you that it could have happened right here first and then been given to David. You don’t understand that, do you? Is it necessary that you understand? It is necessary that you believe. You have a spirit that’s free of space and time.

Well, I have a hand over here, but I’m just going to ask you a simple question. I just found two prayers. Actually, I found four. David’s. Do you like David’s? How do you like mine? Mine – the young Baptist. How’d you like that? No, you didn’t like that now, did you? You didn’t like that. What do you think the eternals? What do you think about the Godhead? That which we have seen, which we have handled, we declare unto you that you may have fellowship with us, and our fellowship is with the Father and with the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.

I’ve just found the fellowship of the Godhead. I have the most important thing I have to say to you this week, probably right now. I told you I would take you to another mount, remember? And what did I say that mountain would be? Please. A mountain where there is no you. There’s a lady named Babs. Do any of you know Babs? She seems to be a fairly well-known Christian down in the Florida, Georgia area. She spent a week in our home once with a group of Christians. Babs touched something in her life, and she summed it up perfectly. She said on the last day, as she was leaving, that she was quoting Pogo, by the way, which was very profound. She said, “I have found the enemy, and he is me.” I will repeat that, and I want you to hear it. “I have found the enemy, and he is me.”

We always walk into the presence of God with a big me. We go into the valley of my, me, and mine, and it’s my relationship with Him. Here is a mountain of fellowship with the Father and the Son in which you are not there. Now, can that possibly have meaning for you? Well, we are spiritual creatures, saints. It isn’t “a kind of spiritual” we need; it is “the spiritual” that we need. Now, testify with me. Here I am over here with a problem. It’s unsolvable, and I need help from God, and I’ve got to be delivered. And this is bad news, and I’m hurting. And then something incredible happens. I touch the Lord Jesus Christ way over here, in a way that has nothing to do with this, but I touch Him, and it’s real. And I look up, and although the touch has been over here, this has disappeared. Now, have you had that experience? So, you know it is a touch of Him. It is not deliverance from circumstances. It is fellowshipping with Him. It’s not where or when, nor how or what about. It’s Him, saints. He is the root, the tap, the wellspring, the fountain head, the origin of the Christian life. And He is the water of the church; it is Him.