Winona Conference Part 5 – Outside of Time and Space Fellowship with Christ

The word confined is, I think, where we’re hung up. No, He hasn’t confined Himself. He is also there. I’m going to repeat that word from last night. He has given His Spirit without measure, without dimension, and when we have tried to solve this problem of God, we’ve always done it dimensionally. God can be here and there, as Christ said, the Son of Man who is now in the heavenlies, though He sat in that room. It is difficult for me to understand that God can put a little of me in Him and yet all of Him be in me, and by the way, that just has to be otherwise, how on earth is He going to hear 50 million believers praying at the same time? How is he going to keep up with us? He’s outside of the problems of space and dimension.

Let me talk to Calvin. Excuse me, Aristotle, may I talk to Calvin for a moment? Calvin was so space-time-orientated when he talked about predestination. You are going to go to heaven or hell. Man, this always disturbs…I shouldn’t even bring this up…always disturbs Christians, especially sweet little ladies who don’t want anybody to not go to heaven. First of all, I’m not sure any of us are going to go to heaven. I think we’re headed for the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of the heavenlies. And every time anybody ever described heaven to you, they always describe the new Jerusalem, don’t they? And that’s coming down out of the heavens, and that city is a hybrid, and we’re a hybrid, and we’re going to live in a hybrid. But Calvin was standing there in time and space, saying God chose those by His forewill, and that they would be redeemed, and so on and so forth.

Two things He left out. One of them is that I am a different species from the unredeemed. Now, there’s not one of you in this room who has ever had a burden for whether a tadpole would get to heaven or not, now have you? Or a fungus, or a pig, or a bird, and they are different species of yours? Well, so is the unredeemed, but that’s one thing. The other one is that God didn’t foreordain us; He may have behind-ordained us. He was in both places at once. I can’t understand that, and you can’t either, but if He’s going to be in both places at once, He’s got to know. And I have the feeling, I really have the feeling, that I got chosen right about here. And you may have gotten chosen right about here, but I think I got chosen right about here.

Well, why did He choose you, Gene? Don’t ask me. According to the scripture, He fell in love with me. Why did He fall in love with you? I don’t know, but I’m not going to mess with a good thing. Now, I’m afraid we’re going to get too philosophical here. I wish I could put it in a book, but as man goes on, understanding more and more about space-time, he is going to come to understand the greatness of God. We are living inside of God. God ain’t out there. He’s got us surrounded: top, bottom, and middle. But that isn’t my point. My point is that the living God, the Holy Trinity, fellowships.

Now, you may want to go out there somewhere so you can get a theological something settled, or you may want to look at an archangel, but you’ve got to remember that your spirit goes to Him, not to angels, but to Him. Thank you, Roy. Say it loud. It’s natural, isn’t it? It’s organic, isn’t it? That’s where the Spirit goes. The other one is, God is not a theologian. Your God is a fellowshipper. And if you contact Him and touch Him, you’re going to get a fellowshipper. Now, if you want to go beg, that’s a different matter. If you want to plead and complain, cry and all those things, that’s one thing, but if you want to get to know Him, you’re going to run into fellowship. I’m sorry, I’m unequipped to answer that question.  I’m not an unbeliever, and I don’t know if an unbeliever goes through that door. I don’t recall that one ever did.

Audience: Okay. But do we go like to the end of ages and just go into Him and don’t wait for anything?

I don’t know, I have no idea. I have no foggiest idea what happens to me when I die. I really don’t. And I’m not particularly concerned. I know that to be absent from my body is to be present with the Lord. And whether that means that I will keep my separation from Him or if I will be lost in Him, I do not know. But I know in the time of the resurrection, I am going to reunite, not with my old body, but with a transfigured body, like unto His. And then there’s going to be a great big party. And then I can answer what’s going to happen. We’re going to know what it is to be one with Him. Now, exactly what that means, I do not know. It’s two possibilities. You know, we will touch as a husband and wife does, or we will go back into Him where we came from. One of those two.

Now you know the answer to everything on earth. Now, just let your heads cool down for a minute. We have to come back to that which is spiritual and particular about our relationship with Jesus Christ. Now I’m going to…I don’t know any other way to introduce this than this…there are two things in my realm that have been touched by His Spirit, and there are only two and only two and nothing else. Everything else is material. Two things have been touched by his spirit. One of them is here (inside of us), and the other one is here (the Scripture).

This is His nature (in us), and this is God breathed (the Scripture). This is God breathed, and this is His very nature. They belong; they can touch one another. Now I didn’t say, and you know we’re trying to take this thing in the wrong place. And it can’t ever get down here. I’m going to read to you what has got to be one of, if not the most, familiar passages of scripture. And I want you to try to stay non-dimensional as long as you can.

(Psalm 23) The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. He makes me lie down in green pastures; He leads me beside still waters. He restores my soul; He guides me in the paths of righteousness for His name’s sake. Now you know what that is, do you not? Okay. Now, some of you have heard me talk on this passage. I’m going to ask you not to speak. I want to talk to the others; I want to see if we can grasp this. Okay. Now, quickly, tell me who this happened to. What is this a record of? Someone tell me. Just tell me. Yes, brother. That’s right. David wrote it, perhaps when he was pursued by Saul. David wrote this; it is his experience. This is a record of a spiritual experience. Now, is that true? And the answer is: that is not true. That is true as it touches space and time. My brothers and sisters, David cannot have a spiritual experience that the Lord Himself has not first known.

See, I’m back to dealing with minds caught in space and time. Here’s David right here. You see David? You got him. Oh, where is Christ? Christ is right here. But, He’s got a door. His experience is after David’s – right here. His experience is after David’s here. His experience could be at the same time as David’s, but brothers and sisters, His experience precedes David’s experience.

I’d like for you, please, to observe all the people who have touched Psalm 23. David, the Lord is my shepherd. I shall not want. He makes me to lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside the still waters. He restores my soul. He guides me in the path of righteousness for His name’s sake. Now that’s David.