Debrecen Messages #1 – Before the Beginning: The Eternal Christ Revealed

There are other things in God now. You and me—conscious—you and me in Christ, and Christ is in God. That’s what this passage says. And Christ is in God. And I am in Christ. And now the Father is not all.

Everything that is in Christ is the Father. All of Christ is God. All of the Father has permeated the Son. And all things that are in the Son are permeated by the Father. And the greatest exaltation of all – The Father – becomes all – in all.

Now then, brothers, here’s my point: look for these little evidences of the real Christ. Okay, you theologians out there—give me a little space. I know that Christ, that Jesus of Nazareth, is the Christ, the only begotten Son of God. But we’ve seen an awful lot of Him and very little of Him in His exalted state. Now, there’s more, but you’re going to find it, and you’re going to see it. I can present Christ to you, but only the Holy Spirit can give you a revelation of Him.

And y’all excuse me while I talk to these folks in that video. I will tell you folks in that video something: I’m not presenting this so you can go preach a sermon next Sunday at a church. I want you to know—I hate your church building and your pew. And I don’t like you as a pastor, because you have no New Testament scriptural right to exist. You are a tradition that grew up out of the Reformation. And my point in sharing these things is to exalt Christ, and not to give you sermon material. And I hope you’ll find Him. And I hope you’ll find Him so deeply and so completely that you’ll give up being a pastor and become a Christian.

I mean, just a Christian. Just a Christian—and not a Christian and a pastor.  But to you six men sitting here in this room—seven men—I want you to know that this is where we begin. 

By the way, here’s something else you can do: look for the word “beginning” in the New Testament and in Genesis. Well, Genesis, of course. Genesis 1:1. But the word “beginning” comes up a lot. “They were with Him from the beginning.” “In the beginning was the Word.” “They were with Him from the beginning.” “They were there from the beginning.” “And He is the beginning and the end.”

Now we’re taking a very short time with these messages. We’re going to turn off the camera, and we’re going to chat a little bit. We’re going to stretch. We’re going to come back, and we’re going to do this. We’re going to look at Jesus Christ before He created. Genesis 1:1 is not where you begin. And John 1:1 is not where you begin. You do not begin at the beginning. You begin before the beginning. If you begin at the beginning, you’re beginning cheap. You’re beginning too late. It’s way too late. The beginning is the middle. The end. The beginning is almost the end.

So we’re going to talk about what happened before the beginning, and then we’re going to go to the beginning. And I know you brothers are going to find this hard to believe, but we’ll probably spend most of the next month—maybe the two months, I don’t know—in the first two chapters.