Debrecen Messages #1 – Before the Beginning: The Eternal Christ Revealed

Do you have any others? Any just really moments where you see Him?

In the Hebrew church, it says, “God in the past has spoken to us in many different ways, but now He has spoken to us in Son.” In His Son. God as the Son speaks.

Okay, can we paint a broader canvas here? How about this: that all things were created in Him. Daniel, I want you to never forget that. All things were created in Christ.

Now, I’ve written a book in which I describe—this is very difficult—I describe the Lord standing there, and He creates creation. He throws out His hand, and creation falls from His finger. Now, that’s just the only way you can see it. Here’s God over here, and here is creation coming out of His fingertips. Amen. That’s the way we see it. That’s not correct.

Abel, you have to see it this way—not that way, but this way—and that’s no good either. Do you have any idea of what I just said? That creation is only outside of Him?

Thank you. I want you to see creation—by the way, it’s very big. It’s really, really big. And here is creation. And here is God,no, no. Here, there we go. Thank you. Let me move over this way. No, I want to move over this way. All right, here is God, and here is this incredible, gigantic physical creation—in Him. And who knows how big the eternals are? The heavenlies? I have no idea. All I know is that the physical creation is floating around inside the heavenly creation. When God created—no, when Jesus Christ created—He created in Himself. Creation in Christ. It was by Him, in Him, for Him, to Him, and through Him.

All right. Now then, here’s another one. And you have to just keep looking so carefully and make sure you see this Christ. And always stop and give thanks. And let your spirit see Him. In 1 Corinthians 12 is this incredible verse. And I’m going to describe it to you rather than quote it. And this has to do with that sentence in Ephesians. And there comes a moment when all things are returned to Christ. And creation becomes subject to Christ. And Paul says, everything bows to Christ. And then he stops and says, “Well, not the Father…”

But everything else bows to Christ—and returns to Him.

There was a time before creation. How am I going to tell you this? I’ll quote a scientist who just recently said: “It’s really hard for us to realize that there used to be an age—no, that’s not right—there used to be a time when there was no time.” Time is an invention. Invented by God. It’s going to wear out. The invention will definitely wear out. So then you have to ask: Before time, what was there? And the answer is—yes. God. And this great abyss of nothingness—

Sorry. No room for nothingness. Just God. He’s all. Keep that in mind—He is all. There is nothing else but God. There is no creation. Now there comes a dispensation—an economy, a time—when all that He created bows to Christ and comes back into Christ. And everything is now back in Him, has returned in Him. Creation is all, yes, reunited, absorbed back into Him. And there is not Christ in creation, we’re back to just Christ. Now, if you and I can understand this, we get an idea of what everything is about. And here’s what everything is about:

Everything is about this. The Father glorifies the Son. The Son glorifies the Father. The Father pleases the Son. The Son pleases the Father. And all glory, all honor, all creation—everything—comes back into Christ. And everything is subject to Him, and disappears in Him—re-dissolves, dissolves again into Him. And then Christ humbles Himself—humbles Himself, bows His knee, turns back to the Father—and is totally dissolved into the Father. And then God is not all—