Winona Conference Part 3 – Two Mysteries, Two Kinds of Christians

So, He gets up right about here, and He makes a trip to Jerusalem, and He walks up to this great big thing, and he says, “I remember showing the real thing to Solomon.” Say praise the Lord. So that’s what Solomon did with it? I house God. That pictures Me. Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. He sits down with these gentlemen, and he starts talking not about legal things and little dots of l’s and crossing the T’s; He starts talking about other realms. They never heard anything like that. So, they start asking him questions, and now they’re learning a lot. Hey, let’s write that down, that’s pretty good. We don’t know how much he knows, but we know this: that he has grown this far. He is to the point he knows that he has an earthly mother from this realm, he has a Father from the other realm, and he is to be about—and the Scripture says—the things of his Father. And if that can be interpreted about the house of his Father or about the works of his Father, the deeds of his Father, or it can simply be about his Father. I have to be about my Father.

Now, I want you to try to understand something. Dear brothers and sisters, please try to understand this. He is remembering. I’ll do it this way. That’s Past. He is remembering when he spoke face-to-face with Moses. Don’t think He’s not. He’s not reading this out of a Bible and saying, If I am the Son of God, this must happen to me. He remembers His day He spoke to Abraham. But just as surely as He remembers that He also remembers the day He fellowshipped with the Father in the other realm. He remembers when He came to this realm and delivered the people from the Red Sea. He begins to remember His own creating activities. And as He grows more physically and in human knowledge, He grows in spiritual knowledge, and He begins to grow even more and even more unto the point He can know and does, and He remembers absolutely everything in both realms. Follow me. In our realm, going that way and in the other realm, going that way. And in our realm, going that way. Do you know what I’m pointing to? I’m pointing to the future. And in the other realm, going that way. Eternal past, eternal future. Time past, Time future.

Let me just give you two or three times when we can see Him standing in both realms. If you read the Divine Romance, you remember my recounting of the wedding feast, and he stood in two realms at once. And he took one as what it is, symbolic, and the other one is real. And when his mother said, “They need new wine, they’re out of wine,” he was in the other realm. Now, the only wine there is in the other realm is Himself. He is real wine. Everything else is a picture of that. They’re out of wine. Woman, don’t bother me, my time’s not yet. Do you understand? Do you understand? He was speaking of himself. I am wine. And then he remembers, oh, he’s at a wedding. His mother understood. She’s used to this child of hers who stands in both realms. And she walks over to those fellows, and she says, “See that man over there? If he says do something really strange, do it.”

I think it is John, 3:13. I believe it’s 13. This mysterious verse, when Jesus is speaking to Nicodemus, and He said, And no man can go into the other realm except one who has come out of the other realm. And there’s only one who has come out of the other realm, and that’s the Son of Man. Who has been in the other realm and who is now in this realm, and who is now, now in the heavenlies. Read it. Who is now in the heavenlies. He was sitting in Nicodemus’ living room, and He was also now in heavenly places. I’m telling you folks, we’ve got an interface living and breathing among us. We’ve got one who belongs to both realms. He not only belongs to both realms; he has a right to claim both realms. He’s the Son of the King in that realm, and he is the Son of King David in this realm. He not only can walk in both of them, but He will one day claim the right to rule them both at the same time. And then he will be King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

Alright, there is another time he is speaking, and he says something. Where I am going, you cannot come. And they said he’s going to Rome, going to live with Gentiles. And he said, You don’t know where I’m going. And you will never get where I’m going. And they said, “Where is he going?” And his answer is not where he is going, he says. Where I am, you cannot come. Where I am right now, you like a coward, joined this planet, and you’re going to stay on this planet. Where I am, you’ll never get, you Pharisee, Sadducee, and Scribes. Where I am, you cannot come.

And there was another time when He said, and then I said…let me paraphrase this…and then I said to Abraham, Abraham said to me. And they said, “You’re not 50 years old. How in the world could you see Abraham?” And He said before Abraham, I was. Before you were, after you are, after Abraham is, I am. I am, I am, I am, I am, I am. You want to understand that, then you’ll have to understand I am that I am. Praise the Lord.

Well, then one day, just before the crucifixion, when this relationship with His Father and with the eternals and with time is fully pregnant, it is fully grown. Fully, it is total. The Father and Son, there’s so much one, there’s just one. And Philip looks into his eyes and says, Lord, we just got one more request. Everything you’ve made clear, all clear to us. Lord, Jesus, would you just show us the Father? Excuse me. And they slip. The wrong person speaks. Philip, have I been so long with you, and you have not known me? The Father has spoken. The one who belongs to the other realm, the other realm is in him. In fact, this is the other realm. Oh, but Gene, that’s tiny. No, it’s non-dimensional.

Well, brothers and sisters, they take him to the cross, and they crucify him. And when he was the All, there was a great mystery hidden in God. A great mystery hidden in God. Now He’s become a man, and He is dead. And He lay like Adam. There was a mystery hidden in Adam. Adam was made in the image of God, and now the Father reaches down to these two realms and opens His side and out pours the blood of this realm and the water of that realm. Praise the Lord. Amen. And I want you to know that the blood of that realm, of this realm, and the water of that realm are the Son of God. There is a mystery hidden in God. You know what it is? It’s very simple.

There is a woman hidden inside your God. You hear me? There is a woman hidden inside God. There’s a woman hidden inside the living God, and she has been there from eternity. And the angels didn’t know it; Lucifer sure got off guard here, folks. One day man made in the image of God stood alone with God, the only two creatures without any counterpart. And then man got a counterpart that was hidden in him. And now God, God is discovered with a woman inside of Him. Get clear on this, friend. She is bone of His bone. She is flesh of His flesh. Are you following me? That’s not exactly correct. If I take gold out of this vessel and gold out of this vessel, and they are pure gold, and I melt them and pour them both into another vessel, can you separate them? Gold is gold is gold. If you take divinity out of this vessel and divinity out of this vessel and pour them together, can you separate them?

Adam had a spirit that was of the wind of the other realm. Jesus Christ had a spirit that was the life and nature of His Father. Do you understand that? And the Father reached down into his side and pulled out the blood of our realm, but the water of the other realm – there was the divinity of God. Can you please follow this? The DNA of God. The genetic code of God. The molecular structure of God. I don’t know. Are you following me? Three days later, He rose from the dead. I want you to watch Him. Is this a two-realm man? Here’s a room completely sealed. Now, He walks through the wall. That’s the other realm, folks. That’s what angels do. He takes a piece of food. That belongs to our realm. Is that not true? He demonstrated his two-realm characteristics right there in front of them all.

Now watch what He does. You have to understand that this is not Adam; this is God. He’s doing things a little differently. Never has man had the divine nature in him. Never. Adam didn’t. Adam had the wind of the other realm, but he never had the nature of God in him. Only Jesus Christ had done that. In His coming, He alone had joined the two realms.  You remember when He told Philip, There’s a ladder. Angels will ascend on it and descend on it. Part of that ladder is in the other realm, and part of it is this realm. And what is that ladder? Tell me what that ladder is. Jesus Christ is that ladder. He joins two realms. He’s the only one who ever had divinity in Him.

Now, He stands in this room, and there are ten men present, and they all jump to their feet. Peter’s first on his feet. And there they are; they’re all lined up. I want you to watch your Lord. He does something that is probably the most historical thing that has ever happened in creation, other than His own self. He takes a deep breath. He takes it out of the other realm. It’s in Him. The realm’s in here. You got that? But that’s not all that’s in him. God is in here, too. Are you following me?