What Was Happening Inside Jesus? The Fellowship of the Father and Son (DCLC – July ’87, Part 4)

“I told you that you will die in your sins. For if you believe not that I am Yahweh, if you do not believe, and He said the unutterable word, the forbidden word, if you do not believe, I am, you’ll die in your sins. He not only made Himself equal to the Father, He made Himself the Father and the Son.

Now Gene, maybe that’s not good theology. I don’t doubt that it’s not good theology, but just look at it. He said, “Yahweh, I Am.” There’s only one I Am. There’s no two “I Am’s.” There is only one Lord of space, time, and eternity. There’s only one. They’re not two. And just burst forth out of Him this oneness of the Godhead. If you do not believe I am one with the Father, you’ll die in your sin. If you do not believe I Am out there right now, while I Am here and there too, I Am means everywhere that God has ever been. Now hear my words, everywhere that God has ever been or ever will be, that’s what I Am in. And boy, then He really doubles up on this, and says, “Yahweh, Yahweh,” that is just mindboggling. “I Am, I Am.”

Well, this is where He is. This is what He thinks of Himself. This is His personal self-image. He got a pretty good self-image, doesn’t He? This is where His consciousness is. This is where He walks and lives. This is how He moves. This is where His mind is, to God; that our mind, might touch that other realm every once in a while, and sense the eternals.

Now, I’m not talking about heaven saints. I’m not talking about dying, going to heaven. Are you clear by now that that’s not what I’m talking about? Well, now they’re really worked up and they say, “Who are you?” And Jesus said to them, “Altogether that which I also told you. I’m everything I told you. Many things have I to say and to judge concerning you. But my Father who sent Me, He is real, He is true, and for my part, the things which I heard from my Father are what I am saying to the world.”

Now this is very interesting, brothers and sisters. I don’t know if you caught this or not, but He just said the things “I’m talking about and telling you are all and thinking about are also the things my Father talks about and thinks about. I haven’t said one word to you but what’s on my Father’s mind.” Have you read that passage? “I am telling you only what I heard my Father say.” So, we have not only here the mind of the Son, we’ve got to hear the mind of the Father.

The Father is considering that the Son is the I am. The Father is considering that He is from the eternals and from above. Sometimes you like to look at this, turn it around, and look at it for a moment from the Father’s view, would you? You might say that the Father is not in our realm. Now, don’t push me here theologically. Just think with me for a moment, if you will. It’s the Son who’s in on the earth. And He is the entrance, if you please, for the Father to behold this world. It is through the eyes of His Son, while He yet remains in another realm, that He sees men He’s never met. They’re not marked off in God the Father. They’re not chosen from the foundation of the world. They’re not part of Him. He’s listening in the other realm to what these people are saying to His Son and saying about His Son. And the Father is revelating, thinking, intuitating, whatever the Father does, perceiving. And He’s saying, as He looks through the Son’s eyes, He’s saying, “Son, they’re not from where You and I are. Son, you’re from over here. My Son, they’re judging you. You’re not judging them, I’m judging them. I’m looking through your eyes and judging them. They won’t know who Your Father is. Son, I’m right here, and you’re right here. I’m the I am. That’s how I’m over here because I’m the I am. But you’re over here with me, too. You’re the I am. We’re one.” Can you see the Father behind the Son, seeing all these things? Would to God we had eyes to get behind the eyes of Christ and see the Father speaking to Him, and the Son is hearing these things.

We have not explored this enough as Christians. We haven’t explored this at all as Christians. We’re way over there on the other side of those eyes, worrying about what we’re supposed to do. What are you supposed to do? Very little. But the Father is speaking these things to the Son as He’s listening to the conversation going on in the other realm. He’s in this realm. He’s talking to the Son. The Son is listening, and the Son says, “I’m the I am.”

Now, He doesn’t stop to wonder how much trouble that’s going to get Him into, because He just heard His Father say it, and it’s not important. He is trusting His Father. This is not a worry of His. And I don’t know what brothers, I quoted to you the other day, the Son of Man who came down from the heavenlies and who is even now in the heavenlies. And while He talked to them and looked at them through His eyes on this earth, yet behind those eyes, He stood in other realms with His Father and heard His Father responding to those people’s accusations against Him. And the Father’s answering their accusations in His address to the Son, in His fellowship with the Son. The Son is listening over here in this other realm and talking to these people.

Now they may not understand, but the reason they don’t understand is because they don’t understand God. They don’t understand the Father they were boasting about, and they have no concept of other realms. I wish I could take everything I’ve said in the last five minutes and let every Christian on earth read it or hear it, and make sure I had a good ticket ready to go out to Afghanistan when that would happen.

You know, we are very much like those Pharisees, very earthbound, very judging of the physical, very much of the doctrine, very much of precision. We brothers need to explore other realms. It was T. Austin Sparks who wrote this beautiful little book entitled Pioneers of the Heavenly Way. Would to God you would become a pioneer of the other realm, of the heavenly realm. Pioneer it. This is what’s going on.

All right, away we go. That He was speaking to them of His Father. They did not grasp. They did not grasp. He was speaking of the Father. I could just build a book around that. They couldn’t grab hold of His Father. They could not grab hold of His spiritual side. They had only this side. That’s all they had. They couldn’t reach through that door to the other realm. They could not grasp. They could not hold. They could not find a handle to grab hold of the Father of whom He spoke. They could not understand an indwelling Father. They could not understand that fellowship that was going on inside them. They could not understand that He was recalling who He was. They could not understand that His Father was telling Him to remember and that even then He had touched that other realm. They could not grasp it; brother, grasp it. Sister, grasp it, grasp that Father.

Jesus said to them, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know Yahweh.” They must have been ready to crucify Him. I want to go back. I want to go back again. What happened? The Father’s looking to the eyes of the Son. Again, and I think one of the greatest, if not the best picture of this is in Revelation, I believe it’s 22, that in the center of the city was the Son, that He was the light of the city and the Father was in the Son and He was the light of the Son. If you can imagine an indwelling God, and here is the Father over here on the other side of those eyes, and they say to Him again, “Who are you?” And the Father says, “Son, they don’t know, but on the day that You’re crucified, they’re going to know. Here I am, that you and I are one.”