Debrecen Messages #4 – The Fellowship of the Godhead: Christ Before Creation

“As the Father has loved Me, even so do I love you.”

As the Father loved Me, even so do I love you. I’ll tell you what this world is waiting for. The world is waiting for a man who knows that, who has experienced that, who proclaims that, and shows God’s people that in all of its most radical and extreme discovery. 

Now I am telling you there was something going on in the Godhead, and it was the Father loving the Son and the Son loving the Father before creation was ever created. And the Son loved with the love of the Father. And this happened before creation. Brothers, hear this. It’s important. Now, I know you learned this in Bible school. It was the first thing they taught you. We don’t know these things. They have been lost to us.

Now, we will go on. One more: the Father spoke to the Son -but not with words. Not with human words. Now, how did the Father speak to the Son?

Who knows? There in unapproachable light, when God was the All, and deep within the Godhead, the Father spoke to the Son. Heavens, I have no idea. But I have a hint: He spoke to Him by billowing revelation—not with words, but by revelation. And brothers, I’m telling you—even revelation flows first from the Father. And to the Son by means of the Holy Spirit. And the Father was revealed to the Son by means of the Holy Spirit. Even the Son of God is spoken to by the Spirit and shown the Father.

Jesus Christ on earth and in eternity past did not think. He relevated. He discerned. He intuited. Forgive me, my dear Romanian brothers – relevated meaning He had revelation. When I say He did not think, I mean He did not do like Aristotle. Number one. Number two. That produces number four, which means that number three is… He had a deep revelation going on within Him of His Father’s speaking. These things went on in Him in eternity first, and the Son spoke back to the Father.

And the Son, if there was anything there to obey, the Son obeyed the speaking. And you and I, the same thing. When there’s revelation, we need to respond to it. It is not good to be the Dead Sea. All things flow into Him and flow into you. They need to either go to God’s people or they need to go back to the Lord. Now I’m going to tell you something, brothers. This is very important—that you learn to open your mouth in spiritual matters because things need to go somewhere. Either they go back to your Lord, and you fellowship them with Him, or they go to God’s people. Or they go somewhere. If you have to go out in the woods and shout, in the forest – it is not good to be a Dead Sea, because the revelation will end. And the Son responded to the Father.

Brothers, the things I’m sharing with you are the deepest things you’ll ever hear about the Christian life. Believe me, and you will find them true. Now, one more thing. Oh, I have to stop here and tell you that there was never anything said out loud as we understand words.

Who spoke the first words ever spoken? Huh? All right, and in this respect, we get that the Son does something. For our sakes, He speaks. And in the moment He spoke, He became the Word of God. “Let…” And that’s all in the world John’s talking about when he said, “In the beginning was the Word.” Jesus Christ spoke creation into existence. He expressed – what did He express? He expressed the Father. And Jesus Christ is the expression of the Father. And when you say He is the Word of God, you’re saying He is the expression of God. That’s all in the world that means. He is the expression of your Father. And we got to see the Father when Jesus Christ began to speak. What’s the first thing He spoke? He spoke creation into existence, and creation shows us the Father. We’ll come to that later.

One more thing. And this I have held to be the most important. And this one Jesus Christ does not hint. And He does not give us a glimpse. He says it. And He says it clearly: “The Father is always beholding Me.”

You want to know the secret to the Christian life? You’re getting it right now. The Father is always beholding Me, and I am always beholding the Father. And if I had to remove all of them but one… then I would leave this one. And if I had only two, I would say: He gives His life so that His Son can be a Christian. His Son can live the Christian life. And the Father gives the Son beholding. Beholding. You don’t know this word? Okay, Pilu, help us.

No, no, no, no, no. What do you see when you look in a mirror? When you look in a mirror, you behold yourself. To gaze. To look at. To gaze. All right. The Son of God… and, behold. Here in Corinthians, listen: “We are as a mirror…beholding the Son of God.” Beholding Jesus Christ. Now, what is that word in Romanian in your Scripture? That’s the word you want. “We are as a mirror.”