Debrecen Messages #4 – The Fellowship of the Godhead: Christ Before Creation

I have nothing to tell God’s people. You have nothing to tell God’s people until you know the Son’s relationship to the Father and the Father’s relationship to the Son.

Now, I’m going to tell you that Jesus Christ, while He was on earth, gave us hints. Do you know this word? Hint? A hint? What is it in Romanian? He gave us hints of His relationship to the Father. A little bitty – a glimpse. A glimpse. And it’s up to you to dig it out. And in the epistles, we get glimpses of the spiritual life of God’s people. It’s up to you to dig it out. Well, why didn’t He give us a nice formula?

“First, you get up in the morning and when you go to bed you…” One, two, three, four, five, six. Well, He left that up to Baptist preachers. First, you have to come to God. You have to repent of your sins. Secondly, you have to call for the blood of Christ. And thirdly, you have to confess your sins—is what I just said. You have to confess. You have to bring things to the light. You have to do this, that, and the other. Then you bring your requests to Him. And then you pray for the government. And you believe. You have to have faith when you pray. If you don’t have faith, the prayer will not be heard. And then you have to pray in Jesus’ name. Well, thank God that’s not in the New Testament in a nice little rule. Because who knows what we would have done. We would have probably killed one another—because we weren’t doing it just right.

Brothers, we need to lift this so high to spiritual realms and see the purity of what was going on before creation. We have to look for those little hints and those little glimpses.

So I’m going to give everybody an assignment. I want you to read John 5 and John 6. This is the beginning of the hints, the beginning of the glimpses. I want you to read them very carefully. Be back here tomorrow morning, and we will see what you have found that will give you some indication of what Jesus Christ and His Father had in the way of a relationship before the foundation of the world. It is important that you see this. Brother Daniel, this is what you have to share with your people—and it’s what they want. But don’t just preach it. 

The things that we will do here in this building during the weeks to come – one, they are founded on Scripture. Two, they are those things which were before the foundation of the world. Three, there’s the testimony of Christians throughout the ages that this is true. That’s why I have given you the book Experiencing the Depths and The Spiritual Guide and Practicing His Presence—because these are three witnesses. That this is the way things were, with Christ and the Father. And there’s great practical help in those books. You must pass that practical help on to your people. But Abel, you must not pass it on to them until it belongs to you.

And therein is your stewardship. Therein is your stewardship. Now, let me see if we know this word “stewardship.” What’s the word stewardship? You know this word, sister? Okay, can you say that word in Romanian too? We got two different words here. They’re similar. We have a stewardship. We have a stewardship. We husband that which is given to us. We take care of it like a farmer does his children. Well, I hope I have said enough because I am very reluctant to share these things – always. They should be shared only in the church. And I will not share them until they are made practical. And that’s why we’re going to do some work this afternoon here in this room.

Let me see. I want you to write this down if you’re taking notes. All things flow from the Father. Nothing originates with the Son. If there’s anything that originates with the Son, it is our salvation. Otherwise, all things flow from the Father. Jesus Christ is the first to receive that which flows from the Father. Jesus Christ receives from the Father by means of the Holy Spirit. Now, that’s a mystery that we will never understand—not in this lifetime. We only know it’s true.

Now, gentlemen, ladies, go back with me before creation. And I’m using a passage of Scripture in the New Testament: the Son emanates from the Father. I have no idea what that means. The Son flows out of the Father. So even the Son flows from the Father. The Son’s origins are in the Father. “Oh, the Son came after the Father.” I didn’t say that. All I can tell you is all things flow from the Father. And I just quoted a verse of Scripture I don’t understand. All of the Godhead has been here forever. Still, the Son flows from the Father. He has the glory of the Father. He has the image of the Father. He has the life of the Father. And He is one with the Father.

These are all things that He has determined that you have – as sons and daughters. And if He has His will—if He has His way—these things will take place, both in time and eternity. In fact, they have already taken place in the eternals. They will take place. They are finished. Completed. These things are. We are the sons of God, but we do not yet know what we shall be. But we know this: we shall be like Him.

All right. Now, the first thing the Father does is give the Son His life. The life of the Father flows to the Son. This is before creation. Woo, this is really way back—so far back it never happened because it was there from the beginning of God, and there is no beginning of God. These are simply the ways the Father and the Son and the Spirit relate to one another. This is how the Father and the Son and the Spirit are in the Godhead. The Father gives the Son His life. Now, what life is that? If you can get clear on this, it is not human life the Father gives the Son. And it is not human life that the Son gives you. The Father gives the Son His life.

What does the Son do with the Father’s life? He does the same thing with the Father’s life that the Father does with the Father’s life. What does the Father do with His own life—His very own life? He lives by His life. He lives. What does the Father live by? He lives by His own life. He lives by divine life. God-life. It’s the highest life.