Debrecen Messages #4 – The Fellowship of the Godhead: Christ Before Creation

Oneness comes from being in: the Father in you, the Son in you, the Spirit in you—and you in Christ, and Christ in the Father. That’s what makes one. Now, there’s one other thing He wants to be one. He’s having a little difficulty with that. He wants you and me to be one. He wants the Baptist and the Methodist to be one. No, that’s not true. It looks bad. Because we never see the spiritual depth. We never see the spiritual meaning. I am one with you. Men have told me I am not one with you. I am one with you. The prayer has been answered. It is only that you have a revelation that the prayer has been answered.

Now, all of that that I have just told you—why did I tell you all that? So that you might return to that age before creation and see that this is the direction in which the Lord is moving.

Now, gentlemen, draw a line across your notes. We’re going to change the subject. This morning, we’re going to look at one of the most profound things you will ever know: the spiritual life of Jesus Christ before creation. How did Jesus Christ keep up His spiritual life before creation? Well, I wanted you to know that I know the answer to that.

The Father said, “Son, read your Bible, pray, go to church, and tithe. And then, my Son, you will be a Christian, and I will love you. But you must pray, and you must read your Bible, and you must go to a building, sit down in a pew, and go to church.” This is how Jesus Christ carried on His spiritual life before the foundation of the world. Now, if you believe that, I have a palace in Bucharest, Romania, that I want to sell to you. Real cheap—$5. In fact, $1,000, lady, and it’s yours.

Jonathan, what I’m about to say to you is: you must change your ministry. I have to tell you, Jonathan—and I’m not picking on you, I’m picking on about half a million ministers—we have been given the wrong information. It has not been too long that we got this thing of “pray and read your Bible,” and of course, you can find a scripture for it. Jonathan, you’ve got to do something new with your people. But you cannot do something new with your people until it is in your life. I think this is coming back to some of the concerns of Brother Abel here at the beginning.

Brother Abel, you must not preach that which you have not experienced. And Daniel, you must not preach that which you have not touched. And I would say this to Jonathan and to Tim, you must not preach what you have not experienced. And whether you believe this or not, I came here not only to tell you things, but to show you how to experience all of them, including in and including one. Jonathan, we must experience these things, and then we can proclaim them. But we must not just proclaim them; then we must show our people how to experience them. I’m going to go through that.

First, we need a revelation. We need a revelation of Christ. Then we need to experience that which we have seen. Then we must declare that revelation to God’s people. And then we must show them how to have that experience. And if we cannot do that, we should go home.

I’ll go over that again. First, we need a revelation of Christ. Secondly, we must enter into and experience the revelation. Third, we must then declare Christ as our revelation. Then we must never stop there. That’s where everybody stops—if they ever get this far. There is not the element of showing your people, God’s people, how to enter into these things.

Now, my own impression is—and I’m going to look up here at the camera—my impression is that you preach everything but Christ, and you preach things that are not a revelation, but knowledge. And having preached it and preached it and preached it, and scared God’s people and damned God’s people and criticized God’s people—and all they can do is sit there in the pew and listen—good night, they’re victims. And yet you’re standing up there yelling at them. And they all go home frustrated. Or they go home and thank you for your wonderful message. You preach that which is not Christ, and which is not revelation, and you give God’s people nothing. I’d recommend you resign.

We need a revelation of Christ. I guess really we first need somebody to declare a revelation of Christ to us. I’ll do it that way. Somebody needs to tell us about Christ. We need a revelation of Him. Then we need to enter into the experience of Him. And then we need to declare Him. And then we need to show God’s people how to enter into this revelation experientially—to touch and embrace.

And Brother Jonathan—I’m speaking English. And when I ask you if you understood what I said—Jonathan is so quiet. Did you hear that yes? Is he saying yes to be polite? No, he’s saying yes because that’s the way Jonathan does. This is a yes for Jonathan. This is a no. You didn’t say that, did you? An American? That’s a yes, and this is a no. We learned that from the Italians.

It’s not going to be easy for me to share the following with you. I’m wondering if you’d get up real quickly and open a window and let us get a little air in here. I’m sure it’s stuffy. Those of you who are watching this on video, would somebody please get up and open a window? You’re stuffy in that room. Thank you, brother.