Debrecen Messages #4 – The Fellowship of the Godhead: Christ Before Creation

And one more point to make. And that is: These things never happen on earth. These things never happen on earth. They happen in your spirit. Your spirit is not on this earth. As God is spirit, He belongs to another realm. As God is spirit, there are no molecules. There are no atoms. There is no physical mass.

But was not Jesus on earth? Yes, but His spirit was not. His spirit was one with the Father. And you can say His spirit was on earth if you wish. But in His spirit, He was in His Father. And the Father was in Him. And He said, “The Son of Man who came down from the heavens and is in heaven.” He didn’t say was, but is in heaven. And He spoke again and said, “Where I am, you cannot come.”

Now, my dear Romanian brothers, I want you to know I could spend six months right here—just talking about your spirit. And I’m going to skip that. And that’s a little dangerous. But then, maybe it’s okay. What your spirit is, where your spirit is, how to touch your spirit—all of those things—I’m just going to skip it. You have a spirit. You can’t deny that. It’s not going to go away. Your spirit’s not going to go away. If you will walk inside your spirit and take an inventory, here’s what you’re going to find inside your spirit: The first thing you’re going to find is His Spirit. And you’re going to find that His Spirit and your spirit are one. And you can’t figure out which is which. They have melted together. And they are one.

The second thing you’re going to find out is your spirit is Christ.

The third thing you’re going to find out is your spirit, which has become one with His, has no dimension to it. There’s no time in it and there’s no space.

And the next thing you’re going to find out about your spirit is this: it’s not a place of words. It’s not a place of thinking. It’s a place of intuition and revelation. Very little comprehension, but a great deal of apprehension. You apprehend. You lay hold of rather than think through. I know that is not easy to say or to understand. The next thing you’ll find out is that everything in here is divine. The next thing you’ll find out, it’s where you live. It’s your home. That is your real home. Someday, that’s the only thing there will be. You’ll be living in spirit.

It is in this place you discover that you fellowship with the Father and the Son.

The next thing you will discover that your spirit can move around outside of time and space. I have talked to you—and perhaps you’ve wondered why—I have talked to you about creation being in God, and that God is in time, but He’s also above time, outside of time, and covering the beginning and end of time. Time and creation are just a little bitty thing in Him. Well, I want you to know something: He is spirit. And creation is not. It’s physical. And creation is floating around inside one who is spirit. And He has no dimension. And He is not chained by time. And if you will go into your spirit, you can also be released from time—and go where He goes.

One last thing: Go into your spirit and take an inventory. Make a list of what’s there. And you will discover that in your spirit is where oneness is. And in your spirit is where “in” is. In your spirit is where “in” is.

Now here’s my assignment. I have not uttered one word to you that cannot be found clearly spoken and taught in the New Testament. But having eyes to see, we didn’t see. And ears to hear, we didn’t hear. And I will not preach to you that which cannot be made practical. And I will not declare to you that which I have not touched.

Okay. You are a Christian, and most of your life has been lived with Aristotle. You think—all the time. Your mind not only is always alive, but it is always active. And it’s not only always active—it’s always moving. I was listening to a conversation last night. It must have gone into fifteen topics. It’s like a ball bouncing. This is us. When you read Jeanne Guyon and Fenelon and Lawrence, they will talk to you. And you will say, “Oh, they understand.” They will talk to you about how much your mind moves around. And you will discover you cannot control your thinking. And you cannot stop it. And here it is in one sentence: You will discover you have a wandering mind. Your mind wanders. Your mind wanders. It wanders from God. Or maybe I should say it wanders away from your spirit.

Of all the people in this room who are going to have a problem with this—and I’m not going to call his name—there’s one brother above all the rest of you. And I would not do this if it were not important and so evident. Would you like to vote on who has the most active mind in this room? Has anybody noticed who has the most active mind in this room? That brother right there—we’ll call him Joe Smith. No, no, John Smith. That brother right there. His mind is just a thousand miles an hour, and it is everywhere. And I predict that this brother is going to have a headache trying to bring that mind under control, to get past a lot of thinking and turn his face toward the face of Christ—and behold.