Debrecen Messages #5 – Christ Before Creation: The Reality Behind All Things

And you know, that little gal is smarter than I thought she was. She never heard that question before, but she thought a minute and she wouldn’t answer. Well, you tell me, will there be the observance of the Sabbath day and the new creation? There will be some observance of, you think, in the new creation will take Saturday off and rest? Will we observe the Sabbath day in the new creation? I don’t think so. I don’t think so either. Huh? You see, and you’ve all missed the point. You’ve all missed the point. We are already in the new creation. We do not belong to the creation of Genesis 1 and 2. It has been crucified on the cross of the Lord Jesus Christ. Along with every other law and ordinance there is. Well, my point is really simple. I would like for you to give me, Daniel, a definition of the Sabbath, please. The Sabbath is a seven-day Sabbath. After six days of work of God. Okay. And he declared this is the day of rest. See? Did you see this? My dear brother gave me a definition. Now, no Americans are going to talk. Do you hear me? This is just between the Romanians and me. And one Albanian. He gave me a definition that was not correct.

For he gave me a definition of the shadow of the Sabbath. Now, Abel, give me a definition of the Sabbath. I said that we will observe the Sabbath because Jesus Christ is that Sabbath. Very good. We will in the new creation observe the Sabbath because his name is Jesus. We will look at him and behold him. All right. That’s good.

The definition of the Sabbath is Jesus Christ. For he was before creation and the Sabbath of the creation is but a something of him. I’m going to push this a little further and tell you that in some way all things in creation are a picture of Christ. And there is a great deal. Now I don’t know if a frog is. I can’t tell you that a platypus is. You know what a platypus is? A platypus is something down in Australia. We jokingly say it was created by a committee. It has the tail of a duck. It has the bill of a duck. The tail of a beaver. It lays eggs, but it’s also a mammal. And what else about it? It has web feed. And it’s amphibian, but it’s born in the land. Yeah, and it’s everything messed up. I don’t know if the platypus expresses my Lord. I don’t want to get into it that extremely, and yet I have to say, somewhere in that platypus, there is the fingerprint of God before creation. But let me tell you some things that are really clear.

What is wheat? What is wheat? Wheat is a picture of Jesus Christ. When he created wheat, he did that knowing he was going to be crucified and die and rise. And he created it to show his death and resurrection. He did that in the moment he said “Let.” And in the five days thereafter, the five and a half days thereafter. When he created the lamb, he was telling you what he is really like. When he created the barley, he was preparing you for Pentecost. And bread, barley bread. When he created the lily, he was making sure that you would understand how much he can care for you and how beautifully he can do it. And when he made the sparrow, He made something that was Himself. When He made the oil, He made something that was showing Himself. And when He made the moon, I always think of the moon and the Lamb as two of the most glorious pictures of Jesus Christ. And I am telling you that, that lamb is not real. That lamb was put on this earth to show you.

Now let’s not have creation. For a moment. We haven’t gotten to creation yet. There is no creation. There is only the Father. The Son and the Spirit. And there is only the Godhead and they are in counsel. Now I ask you, in that moment, is there water? Yes. Thank you, Jonathan. For you. Is there food? Yes, of course. Absolutely. Jonathan, is there a Lamb? Oh, there is a lamb. And is there wheat? Right in the very center of God is wheat. Dying and rising is there. And is there barley? Yes, barley is there. Is oil there? Yes, there is oil existing. His name is the Holy Spirit. Is there life there? The only life there is, and all other life is a picture of that life. Is there wine there? Is there bread there? Is there manna there. No creation yet. Yes. What is the water? I am telling you, dear sisters and dear brothers, there is real water. Now, you have never seen water that is alive. You never have. But there is water that lives. And there is bread that lives. And it exists. And what you and I have seen are but pictures.

Jonathan, find the centrality of Christ in all things. And go back and remember before you declare him, before you declare Christ, remember he’s back there. He is the reality of all these things. Now, Kalia, brother Tim gave an illustration here, but I want to pass it on to you.

Kalia, I know you fairly well. I feel like I know you better than I should know you for the little time I’ve known you. But, Kalia, you look like you’re such a patient, patient sister. So patient. Never upset. Never in a rush. Now, is that you, Kalia? The answer to that is no. I don’t think so. Now… Peggy is patient. She’s patient with me at least. Kalia, have you ever really felt like you needed patience? Yes. Okay. What do you pray for? When you need patience. This is a trick question, Kalia. That’ll help a little bit. This is a trick question. Do I need to answer? Yeah, I want an answer. Aha. Okay. Faithful power to know how to wait. Ah, see? See? Co Kalia, I don’t recall the verse, but there is a verse in the New Testament that says, Christ is our patience. No, don’t pray for the power to be patient. It’ll never come. You say, Lord, I need Jesus. I need Christ. You are my patience.

I’m not going to pursue this any further, but be careful. This will change everything as you come to realize, and I’m quoting from the New Testament, that the Father was determined that in all things, Jesus Christ would have supremacy. Say it. Anybody. Preeminence. Preeminence. First place. He comes before water. He comes before drink because he is drink. He comes before food because he is food. And he comes before patience because he is patience. You tried to spend a few minutes the other day in the presence of your Lord. Well, the next time you need patience, just do that again.

I will promise you, you’ll find more patience in the presence of Christ, not bringing up the subject of presence. Thank you. Good English word. Patience. Oh, brothers and sisters, may your head get screwed on the other direction. . Just everything, turn around. Now, the obvious.

You have a spirit. Please try to remember this, that things that were spirit came before things that were physical. Things invisible came before things visible. Things that were unseen came before things seen. Spirit came before anything because God is spirit.

Do you have a spirit? Do you have a spirit? Yes, you have a spirit. Does your spirit need water? Does your spirit need food? Your spirit doesn’t deal with shadows. Your soul does. Your body does. Every day, you eat a shadow. Every day you drink a shadow. Lord, we thank you for the shadow that you’ve laid here in front of us. Come on. But the spirit is more important than the body or the soul in that it comes first. Does your spirit need food? Yes, it does. Only eternal. It needs drink. Jesus is the… It needs real food. And real drink. And, Kalia, in your case, your spirit needs real patience, who is Christ? You’ve got to feed your spirit reality. You’ve got to feed your spirit the Lord Jesus Christ. And, Jonathan, you have to feed the church spiritual things.