Winona Conference Part 5 – Outside of Time and Space Fellowship with Christ

See, this is prayer, joy, and you might say this is worship, but I’m wondering if there is also a depth of a meeting that I believe most of us have never even witnessed, and they tend to balance one another. There is the shouting and singing, and I haven’t done this in years, and I am so thrilled, and I am just released and so forth. I say I haven’t done this in years; I haven’t done this in years so uninhibitedly because, believe it or not, I am a rather reserved person. All my personality charts show me as an introvert by nature. I’m an extrovert by compulsion, but there is a fourth-dimensional worship most of us have never known.

I long to see a church that can blow the roof right off the ceilings. A church that can build herself up in love, edifying, in functioning, without the need of a sermon every time you gather, but out of richness and depth, not out of pretense nor obligation, but out of the overflow, the fruit. I’ll either talk or die; I’ve got to get some of this excess out. And a church also that can go into the absolute depths of worship and worship Him even outside of time and outside of space. Now, I have been in some meetings like that. I haven’t been in many of them, but one of the goals of my life is to be in a bunch more. A church that truly can stand with that innumerable throng out there beyond that door and join in with those people and fall down on their knees and their faces in adoration of Him, having seen the sight of His glory.

I want to see it all in one body of believers. If you please, a new man for all seasons, all seasons, who can play the entire harp or violin or all the keys of the entire spectrum of the Christian spirit, all the way from coming into Jerusalem with shouts and singing and joy, to falling down before Him as one dead. It’s all ours. It’s yours. It’s mine, and it’s ours. That’s a promotion. That’s an advertisement for the future for the Church of the Living God.

Those of you whom I’m going to meet with this afternoon after lunch, can we make it at 1:10? How’s that? And if they haven’t locked the doors, let’s make it in this room because we know it’s cool. Is that okay? We’ll meet right here, and we’ll talk. Does anybody need to tell us anything before I start here or before I finish? Can you bring it? Thank you, thank you, brothers. You’ve read a good passage. We’ll take it as our opening passage.

Recently, one of the science magazines called Discover had on its cover this: it said, “one way.” The only thing that was on the front of it, as far as a picture, was “one way,” but the arrow pointed both directions, and under it was this statement. Since Einstein presented us with the theory of relativity, one of the great quandaries that scientists face is that they do not understand why we can only remember the past. According to Einstein’s theory of relativity, we ought to be able to remember the future. And the inside article, seven or eight pages long, from all the great scientists in the world, and I mean that literally because I think they were all anxious to get in on this, because each one of them said, “We haven’t even discussed this subject because it’s so embarrassing. We know so little.” Every one of them stated, “Yes, we ought to be able to remember the future.” There is no reason why, if space and time are in fact things, time would move in only one direction; it should move in both directions. There should be the ability to remember the future.

Now, if you could just stop for a moment and think about that, here you are right now, and you can remember what has happened. The scientists are saying, according to Einstein’s theory of relativity, there is no known scientific reason why we can’t remember what’s going to happen. Now just sit there and say nothing, because it is a fault so far out that you and I cannot comprehend it. But again, dimensional, so-called in things that are physical and temporal, that which begins and ends, we are so captured and imprisoned in this place that we have a hard time conceptualizing in terms of non-dimensional.

Now I have a point in having told you this, other than the fact that we are really caught in the problem of being stuck with dimensional, and seeing God as dimensional, as either great big or really tiny. But the other point is this: Scientists may not be able to tell me why I cannot remember the future, but let me assure you that the God who created this universe, the God whose law Einstein discovered, and the enigma has not been opened. The God who created remembers the future. He can recall the future, like you and I can recall our past. He can recall my past, your past, Abraham’s past, Moses’ past, Enoch’s past, Adam’s past, and His own past. He did so on this earth. He can also remember my future, your future, your grandchildren’s future, and His future. Why can He do that? Well, we’re back to Einstein’s theory of relativity. Because up and down in measurement and space and time only belong to the realm of mass.

Now, what’s another word for mass? Matter. Physical creation, Atoms and Molecules. We have all seen this. But it’s just as true…well, I don’t know alphabet…do you know what this means? Do you know what MC means? Everybody hears about it; nobody knows about it. What is it? That’s right, I left that square out. I know, I left that square out. This is mass. This is the speed of light; this is the time-space continuum, equal to E for energy. It goes in both directions. Now, I can’t explain that or fully comprehend it, but it works both ways. Energy comes from mass, but mass and time-space also have produced limitations. Remove the mass, remove the space, remove the time, and you’re back to this, saints. Remove creation, and you got God. And He is not limited by the past and the future because the past and the future cease. I’m sure you’ve heard it said that time is, in fact, a human invention employed to explain things, at least time as we understand it with a clock. Remove creation and you’re back to God. I am seeking to tell you that this other dimension knows no future and no past and is free to roam everywhere.

You are back to the ‘I am.’ What on earth, Gene Edwards, has this got to do with me? Everything, because, dear saint, you are a hybrid and you belong to both realms, and up until now, just about everything you’ve ever read or had preached to you was aimed at you in this realm. Now you say amen to that. It has been physical; it has been objective; it has been surface, and if you please, it has been shallow, and most of it has probably worked guilt in you, but you have wings and you have a spirit. Einstein’s theory of relativity cannot touch your spirit. Your spirit is outside of time and outside of space. You’ve got a spirit that can roam the universe. Actually, you have a spirit that simply naturally returns to its own habitat: its own habitat is here. I’ll say it again. The other sphere, the other realm, that place where Jesus Christ and the Father are everything, and where they are in fellowship with one another. Way back when, right? Now! Not way back when, but now, now, now, now, now.

Could you release yourself just a second from the faults of space and time and try to see a God who can stand at the end of the ages, who does stand at the parting of the Red Sea, who did fellowship with His eternal Son, who will fellowship with His eternal Son, who is at the consummation of our age, the age of all ages. A God who is free because E=MC² does not hold Him. Matter, space-time, cannot bridle Him. He carries His fellowship with the Father. He carries His fellowship with the Son. The Father fellowships with the Son; He, the Son, fellowships with the Father in a place free of boundaries but rich in experience.

I hope I’ve said something to you that you’ve never heard before. It would be good to know that Christians hear things they have never heard before. You have a spirit that belongs to and is native to God. You have a body; you have a soul native to this planet. One that is dimensional, one without dimension. One visible, one that is not visible; it is invisible. One that is temporal, one that is very, very eternal. If you need to ask me a question at this point, don’t hesitate to put your hand up.