Debrecen Messages #4 – The Fellowship of the Godhead: Christ Before Creation

Those of you listening on television, on video—listen to me.  Jesus Christ lived for the day when all the temples will come down and man would go into the experience of the Godhead. And it would not be body and it would not be soul. But a day cometh when man will worship God in spirit.

Now, brothers in this room, listen to me. That was not a word like a bird flying. That was—we say, that’s not a woo-woo-woo word. That was a geographical word. Listen to me: the woman and Jesus were talking about geography. Not that water—this water. Not at this land—another land. Not in Samaria, but in Jerusalem. Not in Jerusalem, but in a geographically locatable place. A place that can be found in geography. A place that is called spirit. That’s a land. That’s a place. That’s a location.

Now let me come back. Let’s stay before creation. All that I’ve told you can take place only in spirit. Therefore, anyone who touches these things must have a spirit. They must have a living, breathing spirit. You must have a spirit. And it must be something that you can locate. It’s not a woo-woo-woo. It’s not a “Oh, spirit, oh, this wonderful spirit, this lovely spirit, nice spirit, all this in spirit.” No. A place. That place is God. And that place is your spirit. And your spirit is one with His Spirit. Now all these things must be spirit. I’m not going to use the word “in” here. Must be spirit. These are spirit things. Or they are spiritual things. They cannot take place in your brain. They have to take place in your spirit. And these are the foundations of the Christian life.

And this is what was going on in the Godhead before the foundation of the world. And we’re going to not go any further. I want to finish this message, but I’ve got to stop for Brother Abel’s sake, because his brain is going to blow. But we’re going to take a 15-minute break. We’re going to come back, and we’re going to come to glory, because we’re going to take this out of heaven. No—there’s no heaven yet. This is before heaven. We’re going to take this out of the center of God. We’re going to bring it to you and me. You’re going to bring it to you, your life, to my life. You’re going to bring it to the place it’s supposed to be brought. You’re going to bring it to the church of the living God. It belongs in the church of the living God—and there and there alone in the church, the body of Christ. That’s where it belongs. And it’s always spirit.

These things take place in spirit and in spirit things are apprehended—not understood. When I say apprehended, they just… they’re taken. I have one more point added to this. I’d like for you to add that in your notes. This is—I’ve not asked you to take notes until now, I don’t think. All that took place in the Godhead before creation took place in oneness.

The Father was one with the Son. The Son was one with the Father by means of the Holy Spirit. They were one. The Father and the Son. The Son and the Father. And those are the two ingredients of oneness: One is in the other, and the other is in the first. Those are the two elements of oneness: things take place in spirit, and things take place in oneness.

God is spirit, and those who worship Him will do it by…coming to an intellectual understanding of Him? This was the philosophy of Martin Luther. He said, if you intellectually understand God, you will know Him. He was quoting Thomas Aquinas. And everything that most of us—almost everything that most of us have ever been given was intelligence. Information about our God.

Okay, now we start the second message on this subject. 

I want to go back to my first type sentence:

It is the nature of God that things flow from the Father.

It is the nature of God that things flow from the Father.

Now, you know, I can say it’s the nature of God to love His Son, to glorify His Son, for the Son to glorify the Father. And those are right. And the Father’s desire is to let others see the Son.