Debrecen Messages #4 – The Fellowship of the Godhead: Christ Before Creation

To look at something in a rather special way, in a worshipful way. To behold. It is something we know nothing about. Your Catholic churches and your Greek Orthodox churches were built so that you could behold beautiful gold and silver that might some way remind you of God. Why not put up a casket with a coffin with a corpse?

All right. The Father beholds the Son, and the Son beholds the Father. And that never stops. The Father looks upon His Son with great joy. And the Son takes the Father’s beholding of Him and returns it to the Father.

Now, gentlemen and ladies, add one more word: all of the above is the fellowship of the Godhead. The fellowship of the Godhead. And this word is a very wonderful word in English. Many tongues do not have this word fellowship. There’s no way to say it. The Germans have to work very hard to get the word fellowship. Do you have the word fellowship in your language? May I hear this word? And… I’m sorry? Yes, that’s it. Yes. And it is a word that the unbeliever almost never uses. For some reason, they will not touch this word. They don’t know what it means.

Now, my point is—you may not know this, but you know what that word means. Now, whatever you know about the meaning of that word, run with it. Take it. Hold it. And let it get big. Grow. All of this that I have told you is the fellowship of the Godhead. And so we can sum it up. If you ever hear me talk about the fellowship of the Godhead, know I’m talking about all these things.

Now we’re coming close to the end of this little message. This little message. This would revolutionize Christendom. All of the Christian faith of the first century was built on these things.

Well, I would say to you: do you see prayer in this? And the answer would be, “But did not Jesus pray?” That depends on whether you’re talking 20th century or 1st century.  Jesus Christ went out alone to be with Himself, to do that which He did before eternity—when there was only God—that which happened before creation. He went out alone so no one would say to Him, “Jesus, please heal my daughter.”

He didn’t want to be interrupted, fellowshipping with His Father. That’s right. It was a return to these simple things. That’s what prayer meant. And we don’t know that.

Now I have to tell you one more thing that is very important. And everything really hinges on this. And this will take you years to understand. I want you to write it down whether you want to or not. This is the conclusion. This is the point. This is a big point: all this was possible only because God is spirit. And that may not mean a thing to you. All of these things are possible only because God is spirit.

Now let me ask myself—and let me ask you—what are some of the meanings of the word spirit? Invisible. Not of this world. Belongs to another world. Unseen. Absolutely without any humanity, no body, no soul, just spirit. Where there is no logic, no reasoning, no thinking, but rather there is relation. There is intuity. Help me here with the Romanian word. What have you got for intuity? Okay, wonderful. Very wonderful spiritual word. There is no logic, no reasoning, no thinking. There is revelation. There is intuity or intuition. And we also would say—I would say—they were relevating and they were intuiting—but those are not words. I made those words up.

There is communication outside of language. Communication outside of language. Outside of thinking. This is spirit.

There are no molecules. There are no atoms. There’s no rock. There’s no mass. There’s no human being. There’s no body. There’s no soul. There is spirit. And these things can take place only in spirit. Write it down: these things take place only in spirit. They don’t take place in body. They don’t take place in soul. They don’t take place in thinking or logic or formula. They take place in God. They take place in spirit.