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Debrecen Messages #4 – The Fellowship of the Godhead: Christ Before Creation

This profound teaching, given in Debrecen, Hungary, opens a window into realities before the foundation of the world—realities that define the Christian life far more deeply than methods, formulas, or religious effort. Gene Edwards explores what Scripture reveals about the fellowship of the Godhead: the life, love, speaking, beholding, and oneness shared between the Father and the Son before creation ever existed.

At the heart of this message are two of the most important words in all of Scripture: “in” and “one.” Before there was a universe, angels, or man, the Father was in the Son, the Son was in the Father, and they were one by the Holy Spirit. This divine fellowship did not originate in time—it flows from eternity and continues into the present life of every believer.

The message unfolds how all things flow from the Father: divine life, divine love, divine revelation, and divine fellowship. The Son lives entirely by the Father’s life, declaring, “Of Myself I can do nothing.” This same divine life is now given to believers. The Christian life cannot be lived by human strength, intellect, discipline, or effort—it can only be lived by divine life.

Gene Edwards explains that Christ came to earth not to introduce religious activity, but to bring believers into the same relationship He has always had with the Father. What the Father is to the Son, the Son is to us. The life that flowed into Christ before creation now flows into believers, calling them to live by Christ just as Christ lives by the Father.

A central emphasis of this teaching is beholding—a spiritual seeing that takes place not in the mind, but in the spirit. The Father beholds the Son, and the Son beholds the Father. This mutual beholding is the secret of divine fellowship and the foundation of true prayer. Prayer is not performance or formula; it is a return to fellowship with God in the spirit.

This message also confronts the dominance of intellect and religious knowledge, calling believers back to a life lived in spirit, where revelation replaces reasoning and apprehension replaces analysis. God is spirit, and all divine realities—including fellowship, oneness, love, and life—can only be experienced in spirit.

Practical guidance is given for learning to turn inward to Christ, to behold Him, love Him, and fellowship with Him in simplicity. This is not mystical abstraction but the normal Christian life as revealed in Scripture.

If you long to move beyond religious striving into living fellowship with Christ, this message offers a doorway back to the eternal realities from which the Christian life flows.

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So I’m going to give you an assignment for tomorrow morning which you will fail. Everybody will make an F tomorrow morning. Now isn’t that encouraging? Isn’t that wonderful? I give you an F. Now F means failure.

We have A for good, B for pretty good, C for not so good, D is “bleh,” and F is “no way.” You did not—you failed. F for fail. You will all get an F. You will fail. But it’s the beginning. And this is not only for you, but this is for the house of God.

We’re going to put our curtains up. Tomorrow morning a bell is going to go off at six o’clock and someone is going to announce at 6 a.m. Now, you may be one of these people who need to make a trip over there, but that’s fine. Make it. If you don’t need to, don’t. But try to catch your mind when it is least active, and that’s when you first wake up. Even then, you’re going to be amazed at how your mind is like a ship in a storm. It cannot be put in the harbor. No rope to tie it to the wharf. And you’re going to discover how utterly unspiritual you are. You’re going to discover how the de-spirit—you are… that’s not English. You are de-spirited. The spirit is not there. You can’t find it. All this is exciting. This is one of the reasons you’ll enjoy reading Brother Lawrence and Guyon and Molinos. They will help you. But you must stay with this. Tomorrow morning, you’re going to wake up. As soon as you get awake, maybe it’s better that even before you get awake, just as you’re beginning to become conscious. And if you wake up before six—and I’m making it 6 a.m. to catch you tired and sleepy—this is good. And all I’m going to ask you to do is behold. Don’t think. Don’t pray. Please do not pray. Let your eyes—your eyes are closed—but let your eyes and all that you are focus on Christ.

Let nothing else in but the Lord. And behold Him. And behold Him. 

Your mind will wander off. Bring it back. And your mind will wander off. Bring it back. Oh my gosh, how can I tell you how much you need to do this? Abel, one of these days, some Christian is going to make you so mad you’re going to want to kill him. Kill and laugh while you’re killing him. But if you have learned to behold, maybe your mind will come back to Christ and you’ll become a Christian again, and you’ll remember the cross and you’ll break.

That just doesn’t happen to us if we have not had experience of living in His presence. And I watch the cruelty—the cruel, the meanness, the cruelty… give me the word—okay, the cruelty of ministers toward Christians. And I know they have not lived much time in His presence. Because when those feelings come out, something in you—something called Jesus Christ—will bring you back and bring you to the cross, and you die. That guy you want to kill doesn’t die. You die. That’s one little illustration, but it’s a poor illustration because that’s not the point. The point is that He created that you might know Him. He created that you might touch Him, that you might fellowship with Him, and eventually that you might be one with Him, even as He is one with the Father. There’s that re-radiating in its highest form—that you might be one, even as I am one with the Father.

All of that is things that happened before creation. He was one…He was one with the Father. He has come to make you one with Him. It is the instinct of divinity to do this. Now brothers, there is instinct in you. There is divine instinct in you to behold Jesus Christ, to touch Him, to love Him, to fellowship with Him, and to receive back love.

Now, I want to go a little further. Gene, how in the world do I behold? How in the world am I going to fellowship? I want to give it to you in its simplest form, the simplest level, and then I’m going to tell you that I’ve never improved on the very simplest level of all. What I’m telling you now is how every Christian should probably spend the rest of his life. Wake up. Let everything turn toward Christ, and immediately your mind’s going to wander off.

It’s simple. Just love Him. And open your mouth. And if you’re embarrassed to open your mouth, then open your mouth inside your head and your heart, and call on His name. There is a verse of Scripture in the New Testament that says, We are those who call on His name. So live up to what you are. Now I’m going to illustrate this for you so that no one will misunderstand. You wake up, you try to keep your mind from worrying about lunch or breakfast or your wife or your husband or your friends or anything. Before your mind gets active, just say, “Lord.” You say that inside. I’m saying it outside so you’ll hear me: “Lord. Lord Jesus.”

“Jesus.” But wait a while. Your mind starts to wander. “I love You. Lord, You love me.” “Oh Lord, I feel Your love. Yes, Lord, You love me. I love You, Lord. Lord Jesus.” “Lord Jesus. Lord Jesus.” Don’t pray. Don’t go beyond this. Don’t do anything else but that. No more. It’s not in your assignment. This and only this. For 20 minutes. That’s a long, long time. It may be the longest you have ever knowingly lived in His presence in your life. And if you make three minutes without your mind wandering off—or five—then you’ll get an A plus.

But actually, you will fail. Your mind will wander. And it will take a while. Now, that’s why we’re going to hang these curtains up today. Whatever you sense, that’s your spirit. And kind of pay attention to what your spirit feels like. Kind of get used to what a spirit is. Your spirit, His Spirit—find your insides. And, brothers, that’s about all.

It’s very, very simple and very, very hard. And these things eventually lead us to a touch of oneness and a touch of “in”. And give us some insight into this marvelous thing He said when He said, “You have been given all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ.”

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