Debrecen Messages #3 – Christ Slain Before the Foundation of the World

Video Transcript:

And we’re talking about things that you cannot see. And in fact, there are things you cannot know. For we’re speaking of the revelation of Christ. I hope you saw the last video, because if you didn’t, this is not going to make sense. I have my string back—it’s this. I tell you what, Brother Daniel, could you move so I can see the video, just in case I do something really dumb like get out from under? You can come this way. Why don’t you get right in front of the camera, Daniel? Right over by Abel. He won’t mind. No, no, no, it’s okay. Come right in front of the camera. That’s great. Yes. I’m watching the video, not the camera. Well, folks out there who are listening, this is just the way things are.

What am I going to do? What am I going to do with this statement? Hebrews 4:3: “He finished all things before He created all things.” How can I deal with this? My name was written…This is Revelation 17:8. My name was written in the Book of Life before the foundation of the world. How can I deal with this? That Jesus Christ was slain before the foundation of the world. If He was slain before the foundation of the world, then He was slain twice—once before creation and in a hill outside Jerusalem.

That is not possible. He was slain once for all. Let me tell you something, brothers. There’s a lot of mystery going on before creation. A lot of things happened that people did not know. Those who lived through Genesis 1 and Genesis 2, and those who have lived through all the rest of the Old Testament, did not know. And even in the New Testament during the time Christ was on earth, they did not know about your Lord. And then Paul reveals to us things that are still a mystery—the things of Christ.

Now there is a Christ of Galilee. Brothers, there’s a Christ of the cosmos. Now I want to use a good Christian word that nobody has been willing to use for the last few years, since the New Age movement. I heard this in the seminary: the “cosmological Christ,” which means the Christ of creation. But there is a Christ before creation. Now, Jonathan, I want to ask you to do something for Christ. Spend a lot of time in Ephesians 1, 2, and 3. And a lot of time in Colossians 1 and 2. Declaring to us the Christ who was before. And reveal to your people the mystery of Christ. I’m going to come back to this. Pilu, make sure I come back to this. 

There’s a statement in Colossians: the power of glory. Daniel, there is power in glory. There is no power in the law. No power in the rules. Okay, here’s my…here’s creation. Creation begins, and it ends. But Joe, could you drop back just a little—or you’re as far back as you can? All right, there’s creation. And I got saved right there. Can you see? And Jesus lived right here. You see that? But that’s not true. Because way over here is before creation. And was Christ alive before creation? He was alive before creation. And I was in Him.  Now let me show you this little part right here. This is the beginning of creation. This is “In the beginning God.”

Let’s get it right down to this point. I want you to know—just right here, just before “in the beginning” – a lot of wonderful things happened. Things that are a mystery. Things that no one knew. Things before—when there was God, and only God, and nothing but God. Right there. What happened?

One thing that happened was: you were chosen. That’s before time. Before time. Before time. Another thing that happened: the Lamb was slain. Jesus Christ was slain. Before. Here—pull this out. Can you see that? Right there. Before it began. Yes. Jesus Christ was slain. And not only were you in Christ, but your name was put in a book. And it is the Book of Life. Brothers, if there’s anything in this world I can tell you, it’s – you’ve got to understand what that word “life” means. There’s the beginning of creation. Here’s what happened before it.

My goodness, how can I do this? I think we will use the sheet once, all right? Okay—this is creation. And this is the Alpha, and this is the Omega of creation. But creation took place in God, and God existed before. This time I want you to make it—spread it out completely. Now, Pilu, grab one end. Jonathan, grab the other end. No, this end right here. All right. That’s good. Now then—yes, brother, that end there—that’ll make it bigger. No, no, no, wait a minute. We’re going to… okay. Now, pick it up. Now—ooh—very big. Now—now then—creation doesn’t look like much, does it? And all of that is God. Now see how big God is and how little time is—the beginning and the end? We’re going to put time inside, and creation inside, in just a little bitty space. Hold it up. Hold it up real high. No, no, no—yeah, drop yours. It covers the camera. All right. Can you see? I got you. You—pick up your end. Pick up your end. Pick it up. Drop yours. Now, come this way.

Now, I want you to see how great God is. How little… No, drop that. Drop that. Yeah. Now, pull. Pull. Pull. Not this one—that one. There you go. No, no, no—back away. Back away from me. Get over in the corner—just with your end. I want to make God as big as possible. Back up. No, no. Jonathan, go that way. Yes. Back. Back. Back. Now. Now.

Drop yours. Now I’ve got to just—okay, now we’ve got it. Just a little bit of creation. Creation is just a little bit in God. Can you see my fingers, folks? Okay. And all the rest is God. I’m going to show you creation again—begins and ends. And all the rest is God. A lot happened before, and a lot is going to happen afterward. Can you see the before? Can you see the after? All right. Thank you, brothers, very much. I hope that came out on the camera. Did it? A lot of God before and after. And always remember: God enveloped creation.  I want you to join with me for a moment. 

There is nothing but God. And in the Godhead is the Father and the Son and the Spirit. And the Father says, “I am so pleased with my Son. I want someone to see Him. It pleases Me that You be seen and known.” And then He comes up with a plan. And the Son loves the plan. And they are together in this plan. And they agree to it. But in some way—and some mystery we will never understand on this earth—they know that for you to be free, and yet to live in a creation that has a beginning and an end, somewhere or other there has to be a dying. But more than that, there is a principle in God that has nothing to do with the fall or with sin. That if a part of God is to be taken from God and placed in someone who is not God, then there must be a dying. The wheat only represents God. The barley grain only represents the nature of God.

That one seed must fall into the ground. That same seed, when it comes up—how many seeds is one seed when it comes out of the ground? A lot. Yeah. But nobody knows—it’s still just one seed. And God is going to divide Himself in this plan He has, in this desire He has, this purpose He has. But you can’t divide God. Even when you divide Him…all of God is in every part of God. You get a little of God, you get all of God. Now there’s nothing but God. And there’s the fellowship of the Father and the Son and the Spirit. And they are enjoying one another. And the Father says, “I want someone with eyes to see My Son, I want them to see how glorious You are.”